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Kunlun, PhD | Playful Brains's avatar

Thank you Juliette for this — the clarity here feels both intellectually precise and strangely comforting. Your explanation of nested loops finally gave language to that hollow, irritated feeling that comes after doomscrolling: it’s not guilt, it’s violated expectation.

What resonated most for me was your distinction between pursuit and consumption, and how the feed fuses the worst of both. That framing helped me see how often I mistake effort for meaning — how much energy my brain expends simply responding to prompts rather than moving toward anything that can actually finish.

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I am curious about how the intermittent reward nature of the outcome influences this process. For a meta example: I found your substack, Juliette, through a random post you made on reddit related to a specific mental health matter; you linked to your substack in a comment after explaining a technique you used to ride out certain urges [being vague to protect privacy]. I spend a good amount of time on reddit, and ~80% of that time is sort of meh and uninformative and not worth the mind-glazing-over-effects...but that other 20%...it leads me to substacks like this! It enlightens me about some social movement I care about! It points me to a health resource I would never have otherwise found that change my life! (All these things are true and meaningful.) I suppose what I'm getting at is...how do you cope with this cycle of nested loops when, on occasion, the reward is sort of worth it?

My strategies right now are:

-Reddit only allowed when I am walking on my treadmill

-I only can scroll for 20 minutes and/or read 8 posts, whichever comes first

-mindful awareness of how horrid I feel when I mindlessly scroll; forgiveness and acceptance when I do

-alternative dopamine-inducing activities (of the cortical variety, if I am remembering your lesson right! a modestly challenging activity that gets me in the flow) when the urge is strong

The dopamine dip at these limits is real :)

Have you read The Molecule of More? I am starting to re-read it after going through all your posts. It's giving the book much more meaning and nuance. (Your posts are amazing and have had a huge impact on me this past week. So glad I found them.)

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